Well, it was muggins here that bought the Adrian Slack. I'd only got back into CPs 4-5 months earlier having given my collection away to a botanic garden 15-20 years ago. So I bought it as it had Nigel provenance, supposedly, and thought it could have been hacked around a bit. I was hoping the plant would come back into form but it hasn't. Still the same mutt! emailed the guy twice complaining, no response, said I would check with Nigel, no response. Only when I said it wasn't the plant and that I'd consider talking to people on this forum about it at a got a rather unpleasant reply about me and also comes already in the forum. Hopefully I won't be doing that again!